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Inspiring the Next Gen: David Conlin and the Future of Skating
David Conlin, famously known as the Flipping Madman, shares his incredible journey from his early days on bikes and scooters to becoming a passionate skater. Discover how street hockey in car parks paved the way for his daring flips at skate parks. David opens up about the times he nearly gave up on skating and how the pandemic reignited his passion for the sport. His story is a testament to persistence and the tight-knit community that kept him going.
We then shift gears to an inspiring tale of an Australian vert skater who defied the odds after a serious head injury. Learn about his challenges in crowded skate parks and his grand vision of touring to promote mental health awareness. His plans to create events, launch an inclusive skating brand, and foster a supportive environment for young skaters showcase his commitment to the global skating community. This chapter is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of sports and mental health.
Lastly, we dive into the balanced lifestyle of a skater who juggles his passion for skating with other sports like soccer. His ambitions of participating in local competitions and building a diverse team of skaters, BMX riders, and bladers offer a glimpse into his future plans. Influences such as the Toshiki Brothers and the crucial support from his mother are highlighted, along with his new social media strategies. Listen as we discuss how earlier social media presence could have changed his career trajectory, and how he hopes to inspire others through platforms like Instagram and TikTok.
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Speaker 2:Welcome to how Do you Skate. I am Sean Egan, your host, and today my guest is David Conlin, also known as the Flipping Madman. So just curious how did you get started in skating, Like, how old were you and when did you first start?
Speaker 3:Well, I was always running around on bikes, scooters or anything that moved with wheels and stuff like that when I was young.
Speaker 2:But properly skating I started about 13, 14 years old okay, and did you start just the basics and then move into the? Uh, what would you call yourself aggressive freestyle?
Speaker 3:stunt man yeah, crazy man on wheels. Now obviously my friends started skating Me. I used to just borrow their skates, start jumping on. I ended up getting a little bit better than them and just carried on from there on and off for a few years and that In and out of football and skating.
Speaker 2:So it's been a major part of your life. For most of your life, then, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3:On and off. Just got back into it since 21, 2021 and during the pandemic got right into it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, got right back into it now because I've seen some of your videos and you do some like amazing flips that, um, I would end up either in traction or a neck brace on now. How long did it take you to to get comfortable with doing half the stuff that you do, or even just some of the stuff?
Speaker 3:I don't know it comes from friends trying to push you to do things so they don't have to do it. I'm normally the dummy runner. I used to just dive straight into it. I used to be always jumping over things and stuff. I weren't't really a brian or anything like that. We started off doing street hockey, roller hockey in the car parks and stuff like that. We started doing that. Then they built skate parks around the local way and then I just started getting into it like that.
Speaker 2:Very cool Now. Has there ever been a time where you've like just had like stuff where you just wanted to give up skating and just say, screw it, I'm done, or?
Speaker 3:well, I went through patches, because there were a lot of patches where I was involved and I was on it. But then when it got with skating, where I started getting a little bit more better than my friends and stuff like it, it was normally a little well, it was sort of like a little hobby for me, but they just were in and out of it so I was only on it on my own. I wasn't doing it with anyone else, I was just skating on my own. There weren't many skaters around my way. They were more like skateboarders and stuff like that. So, yeah, I was in and out of it when I was skating and playing football. Then, when I got to about 16, I started doing football on its own and then a few years after that, when I got to about 2021, me and my friends started getting into it and it's just been skating from then.
Speaker 2:Now, how is the skate culture? Because I didn't actually tell the people in the audience, but you're actually from across the pond out in England and so what's the skate culture like over there? You're my first international guest.
Speaker 3:It is big, it is quite big, but it's underground. Skating's always been sort of underground, isn't it, unless you're in the back in the day. For us, when we were kids watching it, it was on X Games, but then it didn't really last. It didn't really last, it didn't really stay on TV or nothing, so you couldn't really watch it and there weren't much going on on YouTube or social media back then, so obviously it was just really underground. But yeah, it's big, it's coming back, but there's a lot more out there than you see of skating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I know out here during the pandemic we saw a huge resurgence of skating out here when everything was shut down. Now was everything shut down in England during the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it did all shut down. It all shut down. Everyone stopped. That's when everyone started going for the fitness stage, building gyms in their back garden so they could still do something or still get out of the house. But it's all back out. Everyone's back out there doing their thing.
Speaker 2:And that's when you started like really because you said 2021, so it seems like right in the middle of the pandemic is when you really started to pick up again.
Speaker 3:I was caring for family and my mother. So obviously yeah, when you're locked in, nothing to do, caring for family just making sure everyone's fine.
Speaker 2:But now the doors are open everyone's out, yeah, cool.
Speaker 3:Um, now are you considered pro out there? Is it still just a hobby for you? I've never really got. I've never took advantage of social media or the platforms or anything. I've never had a sponsor or nothing like that. We represented a PE movement um, health and mental health awareness. Uh, for a while group of our skaters. We used to go around tour different skate parks in the areas of Birmingham, london, all different places and that, and we used to post up our videos and represent mental health and give out a bit of awareness and that for that. But no, I've never took advantage of skating properly because I've always been in and out of it from football. But now I'm probably starting to dedicate time into it. This is why I'm starting to post up more edits, make my own edits, but starting to work out again and see what we can do with it, see what I can get out of it nice now go back to the mental health now.
Speaker 2:How did you get involved with promoting mental health awareness?
Speaker 3:well, when me and my friend zach started skating in 21 he used to do a bit of mountain biking as well, but he used to skate me and him used to skate as kids together and that when they started doing skate parks around our ways. But yeah, um, yeah, we started skating different skate parks and where we started touring around, you bump into other faces, you start get reconnecting, you start building your little friends and other spladers and other people in their spots. So we used to go and meet them. We bumped into a few uh few other skaters that represented them in uh St Nitz and then from then then with wear their t-shirts, post videos up, give out awareness and support, try and give support to other people in different skate parks and that if they need a little bit out with learning stuff now, is mental health been a real big issue that you've come across amongst other skaters, then, because I know from talking to people in all types of categories and that isn't it.
Speaker 3:So yeah, obviously, in our one, my friend that run it, my friend that was actually like running it, because the people are representing, or he was representing, were based in australia okay, so that's it was over the way.
Speaker 3:Obviously, yeah, he's based in australia, but obviously, yeah, they um, he represented them for a while and he went for I think I think he had an accident, crash and smash his head and stuff like that. So he went through a lot of mental health and stress of not being able to do what he wants or and going through the the stage of recovery and that, and now he's back to skating. Yeah, so now is, is he?
Speaker 1:back to skating then.
Speaker 2:We've all got a little bit of it though, yeah, so now is he back to skating then. Has he made a full recovery?
Speaker 3:He's back into skating. He enjoys it. He's more of a vert skater. Okay, that's how we bumped into him Because it said, near the skate park, they've got a vert. They've got I think it's a 12-foot no 14-foot vert ramp. So yeah, we found that one time touring on the internet looking for different skate parks, and then we bumped into him. Friends ever since.
Speaker 2:That's cool. Yeah, they don't go that high here in the States. I think everybody's afraid of lawsuits out here. Yeah, insurance. Have you been out to the US to skate?
Speaker 3:No, I've not really toured much, much really. No I've. I've skated around up little places like france and stuff like that. But now I've been based in england for a long time, I need to wire them. But that's the plan now to tour around. I want to try and do all the local ones in my country and then see where it goes from there yeah, you and me both.
Speaker 2:I plan to eventually get out to england and I've got a very strong irish heritage, so definitely ireland and um.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of good spots. A lot of good spots, a lot of good places to tour around and view as well now you say you're focusing more on it.
Speaker 2:Are you like looking for sponsors or are you looking for just trying to get stuff out there and just make a name for yourself?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, that more more about myself makes sense for myself or something that I can sort of progress into and build. Obviously I'm trying to start my own brand clothes, t-shirts, maybe try and eventually in the future maybe design a skate. But but my plan is to try and set up events. Do the mental health um represent that. Try and build a little charity up and go around. Do little events at local skate parks. Give up you know what, do them little events for the skates and just build a bit. Get the name up there, build the community up a bit more around my ways and that nice.
Speaker 2:Now do you come across? I know sometimes out here we have conflicts when you're at one of the parks with either the skateboarders or the ones riding scooters. Does there seem to be that kind of conflict between different styles of skating and?
Speaker 3:there there is a lot of crisscrossing with kids diving away. It's more dodging than it is skating. You are dodging a lot of kids, obviously with me. It's okay, I'm used to doing that, I'm used to being so I'm I'm good at dodging, and it is skating now. You are dodging a lot of kids, obviously with me. It's okay, I'm used to doing that, I'm used to being so I'm. I'm good at dodging and I'm used to quite good at standing and balance on skate. So, but it does get frustrating for people the people I go skating. I've got a few friends and their family and their kids come out and we go to different skate parks with them every weekend so they can get out. I'll help them learn new tricks and stuff, but it does get frustrating when you are there trying to learn certain things with the outdoor and stuff. There ain't a lot of parents keeping an eye on the kids are there, so it's free for all. It's like loads of chickens in a little pen. You just they're out having fun as well, though, isn't they?
Speaker 2:so you do have to bide your time and wait, be patient do you find yourself like talking to some of the kids and trying to teach them new tricks?
Speaker 3:they're always coming up to me, as it says in the name. Your kids are always coming up to you asking you to do a flip. You do one and you're doing that repetitively all day long. But, um, yeah, they, they draw, they draw to us. We always try and help them out, whether they're on a skateboard bike, whatever age they are, we always try and help out. We're there for fun, we're there. We want them to enjoy ourselves as well. So it ain't just for skaters, it's everyone's out there doing their thing. That's basically my brand, the brand I want to try and put out there as well. It's not just for skating. My, my heart is in skating and blading.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to try and build a group, not, um, not I don't want to single everyone, anyone out so have you thought about maybe like actually starting like lessons and teaching kids how to skate your style, because I know you can build the ramp and then you have those foam pits, so at least they can land in something and not yeah, there's a lot you can.
Speaker 3:I've been thinking and going over things and ways I want to try and implement things like that. I do want to try and do lessons, but maybe it might be a bit better on one-to-ones and stuff. Or maybe do group sessions and go to different local skate parks, put it out there on social media, let them know I'm going to turn up. Obviously I want to try and have my own little trailer tour around. If people need things with repairs, t-shirts will like. That's the whole point of the events as well. Yeah, everyone enjoy everyone together and make a little community a bit bigger now on episode four of my podcast.
Speaker 2:I actually had Luke's skate school and he actually teaches skateboarding out in Santa Cruz, california, so it might be a good one to listen to, to kind of get some ideas too, because he does groups and one-on-ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we talk about price and everything I know. Currency's a little different and yeah in england. But so but, um, yeah. So now you said you started off doing roller hockey. Was that on inlines or was that on quads?
Speaker 3:that it's always been on inlines it's probably always.
Speaker 3:It's always as a kid, from from about 11 to about 15. It was always on other people's skates as well. Yeah, that's how keen I was on it. I always wanted to get involved in anything someone else was doing. I wanted to do it, but because we didn't have skate park in us, like around our local area, yeah, we just took over a skate uh car park and used to just set a little go up and go down there. We'd have 10 of us running around mad with loads of sticks just hitting each other, trying to play and have fun. But yeah, then it built from that. We started. We started getting onto the youth club because we wanted a skate park, because we did all start getting in there. We got a few more people getting involved. Everyone wanted a skate park, got onto.
Speaker 2:I think about 10 years late we finally got one and then it went on from there nice now, one of the things that because we didn't have skate parts when I first started skating either we used used to have a grind pole or scaffold pole on a brick on the path and we used to just ride up and slide and grind on it. Nice.
Speaker 3:No rent.
Speaker 2:One of the things that we always had to deal with was law enforcement. They didn't really like us skating in parking lots and that kind of stuff. So is that different in England, or was it pretty much the same way that you had the cops riding your?
Speaker 3:butt. If you're in the city say you're skating the street and you're in the cities and you are grinding on shit ledges and stuff like that, or downstairs of rails, outside businesses or buildings and stuff like that, get your security card dry and it's not as intense as it is your way now you can sort of get away with it and that you can skate someone's brick wall out front of their house and they won't mind, as long as you don't break nothing.
Speaker 2:I need to move yeah, get back out.
Speaker 3:You're having a nice bit of you're having.
Speaker 2:You're enjoying yourself yeah, it's, it's one of that's. One of the things that I do want to do is actually start skating in different parts of the world and just just eventually start turning stuff into films. I want to work on a documentary on skating, on why people skate, so it'd be fun to actually travel and get different perspectives from around the world on that too. I would love to go to England.
Speaker 1:My girlfriend would too.
Speaker 2:So now has your skating led to anything like outside, Like when I talked to Chris Edwards, because of his skating it led to movie roles and like the X games and that kind of stuff. So are there opportunities like that for you out there?
Speaker 3:No, there's a lot of opportunities. You obviously have to put yourself out there. A lot more social media, get yourself out, get your follow back. You've got to be at all these competitions that are coming up at the locals, just so your face is getting seen, obviously. This is why I'm trying to do the touring round, because where I've just got back into it, and obviously at the age I am as well, injuries and recovery takes a little bit longer. So obviously the tricks I'm doing and stuff that you see on my head it's I've been doing it for years. Yeah, if I am getting into competitions and that obviously I've sort of put my level at, sort of maybe going to these events but not committing they're obviously not getting involved but obviously showing up, doing, doing little events and that.
Speaker 2:But there are a lot of opportunities out here for people to get involved yeah, now, since I consider us athletes because of all the stuff that we do with skating, do you follow like a like eating regimen? Do you like train and eat like an athlete outside of skating also?
Speaker 3:Not as intense or as healthy as I should.
Speaker 2:I think that pretty much goes for all of us. I'm lucky.
Speaker 3:I've got a high metabolism so whatever I do it burns off. Now, obviously I do. I'll go through phases Longer. Obviously I'm quite of a gym. I go gym, I'm quite fit, obviously. But it'd be patches. I'm not a full-on everyday gym guy. If I go through patches of going and keeping fit and eating right or eating in a proper regime, it will be for a couple of months, two, three months and will it will fade out, because obviously I don't really want to get big, muscly or bulky or nothing like that. So it'll be our phases of gym. Keep your fitness up. I've always done football, I've always done saint sporty or anything like that.
Speaker 2:So now football for you is soccer right soccer to you, football to me, yeah just so my my, uh, my uh audience out here doesn't get confused okay, yeah, so um, now are you planning? You said you're working possibly towards doing competitions again or just putting on a bit.
Speaker 3:I'd like to. I'd like to. At the level I am, I don't think I'm at the quality. I'm not at'm at the local ones. My ones are local ones. I can get involved, of course, obviously. I know I've got quality enough to get involved in these competitions and give it a good go. But the big ones, yeah, the level's twice as good as I am.
Speaker 2:Are you? Sure about that, because I've seen your videos.
Speaker 3:You tell me.
Speaker 2:I think, from what I've seen, that I think you can go as far as you want to with it, so I think you're that talented.
Speaker 3:Thank you very much. No, obviously I'm trying in the long run, I'm trying to save the body. I don't think I've got deep down. I don't think I've got deep down. I don't think I've got the stamina to obviously go all the way. As in competitions, I like to get involved and I will be in the future or soon. But yeah, my main is obviously just go out there and enjoy it, be around these events, not in them. Be around them and get out there and build a name for myself. Really, as in yeah, see, how it goes.
Speaker 2:Well, once you get your clothing lying off the ground and all that kind of stuff, then you got uh, then you can be a vendor at these events.
Speaker 3:But obviously the whole point is obviously I want to try and build my own team okay so then, I'll be bringing people skateboarders, bmxs, skate bladers, and bringing them to the events and let them show off, so they'll be representing as a team, as in, like that so that goes.
Speaker 2:That goes back to the teaching and the lessons.
Speaker 3:Now you're actually looking at being a coach, so that'd be awesome so step back a little bit yeah but yeah, that'd be good.
Speaker 2:And then I mean, you probably have the qualifications where you can be a judge for some of these competitions yeah, cool hopefully that's what I mean, obviously I've not.
Speaker 3:I could have took advantage of all this, all these situations back in the day and it would have. It would have paid off for me big time right now, of how deep and now how much I was doing it. It was an everyday thing till nine o'clock, till the lights went out, and wake up in the morning, coming home with grazes. Can't walk the next day sore back just going through that battering just to get the quality. Obviously I am. But yeah, if I took advantage of social media and the platforms like that back then, maybe I would have been in a situation like that now. But I'm backing it now and see where we can go Now. Are your parents pretty supportive of what you're doing? Yeah, my mom's always been there. Yeah, my mom's always supportive. I'm the big brother, I'm the big boy, so yeah, she's always and I have to look after her. So she loves me, she supports whatever I do.
Speaker 3:That's good so now who was one of your biggest influences when it came to skating? It's all probably the main name that everyone says isn't it?
Speaker 2:Which one is?
Speaker 3:that the Toshiki Brothers.
Speaker 2:Who the Toshiki Brothers, oh, okay.
Speaker 3:I'll have to look them up, Otherwise they've got me into skating.
Speaker 2:Okay, are they out in your area.
Speaker 3:Are they in my area? They're from China, I think, or Japan.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:They're my brothers that skate. They're vert skaters.
Speaker 2:Okay, I will definitely have to look them up.
Speaker 3:Try and get them on the show.
Speaker 2:That would be awesome. So now I know with different parts of the world we have different skate brands, like out here I use Junk Wheels and K2 Skates and Bont Boots. What are the brands that you use out there, like, what's your brand of choice?
Speaker 3:I haven't really got a specific skate. The skates I'm skating now the Suede.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Nice, the USC Suede. The ones I had before them were RBs rollerblades. Okay, you get them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've got them out here, so that was actually You've got Rochers, you've got Razors.
Speaker 3:Obviously, you've got USDA on some stuff like that. Okay, I remember I had a pair of K2 Fatty's the white and red ones Nice, I normally skate white skates so obviously every time I'm looking for a new set of boots or stuff like that, the ones I'm enjoying, enjoying escape now the sways okay, and now?
Speaker 3:any preference on wheels and bearings, or I go through wheels and bearings all the time. I'm always borrowing other people's if they've got fresh ones, because I've burned through them so much that, yeah, they will, they will be. The bearings are normally our-bit nines the wicked ones.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:I normally roll them. But yeah, the wheels, I'll go through any wheels, any wheels you've got, I'll roll them, burn them out in a day, Jeez.
Speaker 2:Speed skating. We take our time going through wheels Not quite as.
Speaker 3:That's something I want to get into. I want to have a little. You know, when you tour from places I think they do one in our, in my country they do it from London to Brighton, Brighton, London city to Brighton and stuff like that, and you can skate through the town and they've got a little route that you can skate on blades and stuff like that. So they do it certain times of year they can do it.
Speaker 2:And as did they have, like a race that goes between the two. No, it's like a group.
Speaker 3:It's just a group meet, you all meet up, skate and you blade through. Sometimes you stop off at little skate parks. You see on the way. It's just like a tour basically.
Speaker 2:There's like little runs. Now is there a lot of outside the skate park competitions, the verts and the freestyle? Do you have like a lot of like marathons and skate culture you?
Speaker 3:have a lot of local ones, and then there's the main big skate parks. You've got one in Liverpool. I don't really know where all the big, big ones are, but obviously I'll be finding them soon. There's a big one called Ramp Works in Liverpool, there's one in Corby called Adrenaline Alley, and they're the main places that a lot of people go to and do these competitions because they're indoor skate parks and they're quite big.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:In my area all the local little skate parks. They throw little events and you just turn up In my local area. I turn up, put a little show on and have a bit of a fun day with everyone. Help little kids skate and that, or get involved like that.
Speaker 2:You've got some videos from you being at an indoor skate park, don't you, if I recall correctly.
Speaker 3:Are they all outdoors?
Speaker 2:What was that?
Speaker 3:What did you say was the question?
Speaker 2:You have videos of you actually at an indoor skate park, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So are they pretty big out there, because I know we don't have a lot.
Speaker 3:They vary. I haven't hit a lot of them, but the biggest one I've been to is Adrenaline Alley.
Speaker 2:That's in.
Speaker 3:Corby.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 3:That's in Corby, yeah, and that's the big. If you mention the skate park to any British person, they're saying that first because they've got the fun pits, they've got the resi ramps, they've got bowls, they've got bowls, they've got it all. And I remember when I first started going there, the first time I went there, it was like one warehouse. I think they took over the whole industrial state.
Speaker 2:now, oh sweet that would be pretty cool buildings are buildings.
Speaker 3:It's about five, six buildings. They've even got pacific buildings for scooters.
Speaker 2:Oh nice, get them out of the way, because I know here in colorado skating is huge. We've got roller rinks pretty much in every town. They have an adult skate at least every night of the week you do.
Speaker 3:Oh is that when you're going to roll a disco or something like that and you just go in dance and roll about and that?
Speaker 2:I just skate fast. I will never disco, just for the record, so. But I like doing the adult nights because then you just have to skate around drunk people, you don't have to skate around kids, so it's a little more fun. But I mean it's just the skate community out here is just amazing, cause I came from California where skating seemed to be dying out. I mean, even the rink that I started off at it's closed. And I mean I've done a lot more outdoor skating out here because we've got the parks. But it's just amazing to see how the community is growing, not just here, but I mean there's a few people that I follow out in your area. Italy, france, even Columbia is huge for speed skating.
Speaker 3:Okay when they're going through the cones and stuff like that, or is that just downhills and stuff?
Speaker 2:Uh, they do a lot of speed skating, but Columbia they do like a lot of the one foot through the cones and all that kind of stuff. I I will end up with a broken ankle or two, so it's just that crazy. So now, what are your plans for the future? Like, besides the clothing and all that kind of stuff? How long do you see yourself doing this for?
Speaker 3:this is a full-time project now. It's a full-time project on my mind, obviously. The process is obviously just starting off. I did start planning it and trying to get my head around it and start building a little foundation of it um in about in year 2022 okay so obviously I'm trying to do that.
Speaker 3:My friend that was going to do it with. Obviously he moved out to germany he starts. He started skating where we got skating and stuff, like it was going to corby adrenaline alley all this time that skate park, indoor skate park, and he was going there all the time. He's got a job with starlight express. He goes out in germany, does shows, indoor shows, and that's getting about for them. So obviously now it's down to me just do it my own. So obviously, yeah, I'm just building that process, try and hopefully get the t-shirts and get the t-shirts coming out and stuff and I don't know see where it goes very cool.
Speaker 2:So now, what is your advice to young and upcoming skaters that see you and want to be as good, if not better, than you?
Speaker 3:just keep trying, keep trying, give it a go. That's all you can do, really, and just progression. And it's good to have people that are a little bit better than you, maybe a little bit older. Obviously it's good to have support in the skate park. That's why we try. When we do turn up, we see people that are a bit intimidated, scared. It's their first time that it's always good, like get out or watch on youtube. Go on youtube, watch people there. Obviously I might try and set a little thing up where I post up videos of little stages, lessons, levels, like trying to show them how to stall, trying to show them all the basics, and then when they do go to a skate park, they're not so nervous, they're not so scared and it's just go, give a go, watch people around you. You'll learn on the way and see how it goes from there.
Speaker 2:Exactly Now. How are some of the ways people can follow you?
Speaker 3:I'm on Instagram and TikTok. Obviously they're fresh accounts. Now my TikTok I can't really follow. I can't follow no one else on there. But if you want to follow me, like, stop watching the videos. Yeah, I'm obviously on. Here's the t-shirt, can you see it?
Speaker 2:You disappeared from me. Now I just got your picture. Oh, there it is.
Speaker 3:Flippin' Madman or Squad 22. Squad spot 22 on Instagram, squad spot on 22 on Instagram and Flippin' Madman on TikTok.
Speaker 2:And that's how we connected was on TikTok.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you coming on today.
Speaker 3:It was a fun interview and I hope everybody starts following you now we'll see if they do start giving you likes. I appreciate it. Thank you, you, thank you, thank you.