Speaker 1: 0:09

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Speaker 2: 0:41

Welcome to how Do you Skate. I am your host, Sean Egan, and my guest today is Terrell Ferguson, who has a ginormous resume of many accomplishments, most recently being one of the judges on Roller Jam. If you guys have not watched it, you need to watch it. So welcome to the show, sir.

Speaker 3: 1:00

Thank you very much for having me. We have gone through trials and tribulations to get here, but we are here.

Speaker 2: 1:06

Oh, absolutely so. Now my first question always is is when did your skate journey begin? Twice.

Speaker 3: 1:16

So around three or four, my grandmother and my grandfather RIP would hold each side of my hands and let me skate with them in these metal wheeled white skates that I had from I'm sure they were hand-me-downs or from the thrift shop or something and my grandmother would go to the swap meet. And so by the time I was Caden's age, you know, four or five, six years old, they would give me money if I would roller skate or skateboard underneath the tables or off the ramp or stuff like that. I mean, I don't need money like a nickel or a dime, but for me, you know, for a five-year-old, that's big bucks. Back in the day I could literally get like some Nauman Laters or Jolly Ranchers or something with that money. Like you know, it went back in those days like thrifties ice cream cone was like a quarter, so it was big bucks.

Speaker 3: 2:11

And then my real journey began at Venice Beach when my dad, who was every other weekend dad, would want to play basketball on his weekends and I wasn't big enough yet because I'm like nine summer turning 10, nine years old turning 10. And so I wasn't big enough. I could play, but I wasn't big enough, and so he would say, ok, well, these guys are skating over there. I'll bring your skates from now on, and he'd bring my skates and back in those days you could just go. Go over there, don't leave.

Speaker 3: 2:40

And I would go over there and not leave because I listened to my parents, and so we would do that, and it became okay. Now I'm big enough to to the beach, but I still want to play basketball and skate. Okay, now I can play on the basketball team, except I still want to go to the beach and skate on the weekend. So it just became like okay, I still want to do that. Okay, I still want to do that. All right, I'm a dancer now, but I still want to do that, and skating has just always been the thing that I've wanted to do.

Speaker 3: 3:05

Because, if I heard correctly on the show that you're one of the OG Soul Train dancers too. So, ok, I don't. I guess technically I'm an OG because emphasis on the O I'm old. But there were people on Soul Train that I looked up to that I still talk to Cheryl, aka the Asian lady with the long hair, big Lou aka Cutty Mac. Those were the guys that were like popping on Soul Train and so when I was like young teens, into right before I got on the show, I'm like, oh, this is good, I'm going to go on that show, I'm going to dance on that show.

Speaker 3: 3:38

And I couldn't even dance back in those days, like I was still a skater. But Oliver, who danced with Madonna, rob who danced with Janet Jackson, they were in a group called the Teasers and they were like, hey, you skate, but you need to come hang with us and dance. And me and my boy, greg, greg, would wait for me to get done skating and we would just go dance and we would battle people up and down Menace Beach's boardwalk after that and they're like, oh well, this club, you know it's an 18 and under club, come with us to the club. And so I'm going to the club and they were amazing dancers. I'm like I'm not as good as them and I was a good skater, and so I was frustrated because I wasn't an equally good dancer. So then it became all right, skate for six hours on Saturday and Sunday and then go dance for four hours on, you know, thursday, friday, saturday, sunday night. And then it became, oh wait, I can do this move from feet on skates and I can do this move from skates on feet, and it really like made a difference in my style, cause I'm, I have the weirdest style.

Speaker 3: 4:28

I'm not a true skater, I'm, I'm a Venice skater, like I'm not. I don't, I didn't go to rinks. We have world on wheels. I can count on my hands how many times I've been to world on wheels and I only go to the rink in Glendale, which shall not be named if I'm working for various reasons. But yeah, we're not going to even go there and call out his name. Fountain Valley is too far, but I like it, and Grand Palace is even farther than Fountain Valley, so there's no real rinks for me. Once World on Wheels was gone, and even when it was open, I didn't really go that much because I had Venice. If I can skate six to eight hours on the weekend and there's girls in bikinis, why do I want to go inside to a rink?

Speaker 2: 5:06

Yeah, we had Golden Gate Park because I grew up in the Bay Area.

Speaker 3: 5:10

Yes, it was all day on Saturday, godfather D Miles.

Speaker 2: 5:14

Yeah, it was all day Saturday at Golden Gate and then we had changed to our indoor wheels and hit the rink until like 1230.

Speaker 3: 5:21

D, miles and Richard those are my guys, though Now they're OGs, yeah, so it's weird, cause I'm an OG, but I'm kind of I'm a young OG because I started so young, so like I'm an OG. But I look up to my guys that are 15, 20 years older than me and I'm like I guess I'm still an OG though, cause I got guys 15, 20 years younger than me.

Speaker 2: 5:40

Yeah, so now the dancing and all that. That's what started your transition into jam skating, and was it just part of a crew or was it?

Speaker 3: 5:50

So I was part of a dance crew, but not a skate crew. Skate crew was just my guys at Venice. My OG's name is Mad. If you watch the documentary Roller Dreams, mad is kind of like he's the one that really was like my big brother, the bad uncle however you want to call it the bad dad. He gave me all the bad advice, which I love it All the advice that was the most fun of my life he gave to me, and so I wasn't a part of a skate crew, it was just go to Venice. I was always a soloist and I was part of a dance crew, though, and then I ended up kind of going solo dancing too, because my guys had real jobs. The guys in my crew that dance have, like I'm the head of IT, I'm the head of parts and, you know, service, Like they're managers and own homes and stuff. I'm the poor one because I chose to be creative. Who knew?

Speaker 2: 6:40

Yeah, that's. The one thing about skating is that it doesn't pay like other professional sports.

Speaker 3: 6:46

And the funny part is it ended up paying, just not right away. And so, coming up, I've done shows and shows and shows. There was a crew, steve Love's New York Express, which was more of a group than a crew but they had ballet, artistic pairs, inlines, stunts and ramps, but it was a stage show. A lot of them were from Starlight Express back in the day and it was a stage show. We traveled to Germany, switzerland, japan, china.

Speaker 3: 7:14

I've been all around the world with Steve Love and it was interesting because he hit me up a few months back like T, we should tour again. I'm like bro with whose knees? Whose back am I going to borrow to let me go on tour and do five to six shows a week? No, my body would go on strike immediately, even with roller jam. Uh, originally with roller jam I was part of the casting and and they were like yeah, we, you know, we're looking for an OG crew. Do you, do you want to perform Like I? Would last one episode and my body would completely break down. I struggle the the my baby gangsters at Venice now laughing at me because it takes me like 30 minutes before I can even start skating. I got to stretch, then I got to warm up, then I got to go slow, then I that's how I warm up.

Speaker 2: 8:01

I'm tired, that's how we do it. I mean I'm tired, that's how we do it. I mean I'm 52 and I'm still speed skating. I started to get back into it and, fortunately for me, it's just my heart that I have issues with, but for the most part, most, most things on my body work.

Speaker 3: 8:19

I can't say the same. I look great on Saturday and Sunday, monday. I look like I'm doing thriller. I literally can't say the same. I look great on saturday and sunday, monday I look like I'm doing thriller. I literally I wake up out of bed, things are popping and cracking and I'm you know I'm stiff.

Speaker 2: 8:30

So now you brought up before, when we were communicating about how you've done shows with one of my previous guests, nicole, how did?

Speaker 1: 8:40

how did you?

Speaker 2: 8:40

get okay. How did you get into doing that kind of stuff and doing shows with her?

Speaker 3: 8:49

Well, it's funny because there's live shows, there's commercial, there's TV, there's film. I was at Venice Beach and I think I was like 17, 18. I still live with my mom and a lady came up to me. She's like I love the way you skate, do you act? And I was like, yeah, and it was the same thing, my first commercial. I was actually 15 and I was playing basketball. I pulled my groin I'm sorry, my hamstring, I ripped my hamstring, so I was out.

Speaker 3: 9:16

I missed all of basketball season. So I'm in this adult league at my part time job because I'm mad that I missed basketball season. And the one game I just caught fire. I had like 32 points. And the guy was like do you like baseball as much as you like basketball? And I'm like he's like well, would you want to be in a commercial for the Dodgers? Yeah, why not? So I did the commercial and I guess rewind. I skipped a grade. So I'm a junior at 15 and I graduated at 16.

Speaker 3: 9:42

But three weeks later I'm at school and like 10 people were like Terrell, I saw you on a commercial. I saw you and I'm like really, and it was like this is better than basketball, like it was the first time that something, even skating something, was the equivalent of playing on a basketball team, like you know, a real team, you know in a league and with a uniform. And so I'm like, wow, this is kind of cool. People like they saw me and they were like so then flash forward to me being at Venice skating, you know, just doing goofy things like I normally do.

Speaker 3: 10:12

And the lady going do you act? And I'm like, uh, yeah, yeah, I do. And so she brought me in and she signed me and she sent me on a couple of auditions. Nothing came of it. And then she got married. She was like I'm sorry to all my clients, I'm getting married, I'm moving to Oregon. And so I was like, well, damn, okay. And I was back to square one. No big deal, though, because it was not my dream. At that point I'm still thinking in my head it's okay, I'm going to be in the NBA.

Speaker 2: 10:39

I.

Speaker 3: 10:40

And then I was on a dance tour and this is where it all changed. I still live with my mom. I'm like 19, 20. And I'm 20 because my daughter wasn't born yet. So I'm on a dance tour and everything went wrong. My tickets were late, so I get there two days after the other dancers, which meant I left two days after the other dancers. So, yeah, and I'm on the plane and I looked young, even though I was 20. I looked really. You know, I've always looked kind of young. I played high school on TV until I was 30. So at 20, I looked like, you know, 13, 14 years old. And this lady was like why are you on the plane by yourself, are you? And I'm like, first off lady, I'm 20. But I'm like I was on this tour.

Speaker 3: 11:19

We were I don't know if you remember it, but back in the day they had the Jack the Rapper convention and it was in Atlanta and it was debaucherous. They had Freak Nick and Jack the Rapper. Jack the Rapper was all the rappers and R&B that got signed would come and perform, and unsigned people would come and perform so labels could see them and maybe get a record deal. So I was dancing for this group that had just signed to Motown, so they had no budget. They Motown, so they had no budget. They were barely on the label themselves. Shout out to Stacey and Kimiko.

Speaker 3: 11:48

But because of that tour, which the dude, the manager, didn't even end up paying me for that show. He still owes me, kevin, if you're out there, you owe me my 400 bucks. But I didn't get my 400 bucks. But the lady on the airplane was like well, hey, you're a dancer, I'm with a dance agency, and she gave me her card. And I'm thinking in my head this lady's just trying to hit on me. It's all good, lady, you want to talk to me? You know I'm young, I get it, I'm young and I got abs. Now I understand.

Speaker 3: 12:13

But I called anyway and, lo and behold, legit agency. They were called JHR, which then turned into KSA, which then turned into KSR, kmr, and so I've been with them for the length of my daughter's like 34 years I've been with that agency. And then there was a little problem this year and two of the agents moved and I went with them. Shout out to True Artists. So I went to True Artists and Clear Talent, for Clear Talent is for skating and True Artists is for commercials, but it was just ironic. All of my career stuff has been just me tooling around doing what I do playing basketball, skating or dancing and I've been with them forever. I'm a loyal kind of guy, so I've been with them forever and they put two of my kids through college. Hopefully they're around to put this one through college, hopefully I'm around to put this one through college. But you know I can't assume anything.

Speaker 2: 13:02

Yeah, exactly, but yeah no, it was.

Speaker 3: 13:05

It was great Like the. It was kind of an addiction. It was the same high. I got from skating and basketball doing commercials, and the skating high took place at the basketball high. And, ironically, the first few commercials I got, one was basketball, one was baseball, one was dancing, and then nothing skating, though, nothing skating. But then in the mid 90s it became a rash of skating stuff and like it, all of a sudden it was just back. It was back. It was back like usps and then we austin powers and like just all these skate jobs.

Speaker 3: 13:39

And that's when I started meeting, like fred tallenson, who was the choreographer of Roller Jam, and I met Steve Love in the 90s and we were touring and it made me touring, made me a better skater. It didn't give me more moves, but it went. Oh, lighting cue, I got to be in this spot. No matter what move I do, I got to be in this spot at this time on this light cue and on this part of the song no excuses, no takesies, backsies, because there's people that paid money to watch you skate and you have to give them a good show.

Speaker 3: 14:09

And so at Venice I became very precise, even though it was just for fun and street skating. And it helped with TV and film because now I know how to hit my mark, do my spin, do my flip, get out of there, and that led to more jobs. And now as a dancer I can do choreography, which now helped the skating because I can do choreography. So I can do choreography that you're doing on feet on skates or I can do it on feet also, and I know how to hit my marks and I know how to hit them with my cheesy commercial smile if necessary. And it just became a thing.

Speaker 2: 14:40

I was going to say. That is the one thing I noticed on Roller Jam is you were the one judge that always you caught everything, and I forget which one it was. There was one I was watching it with my girlfriend and there was one where the guy kind of slipped and nobody caught it, and I caught it. I don't know how I caught it, because I'm more of a speed skater, not a jam skater, but I caught it and then you pointed it out. She's like my girlfriend looks, but she's like how did you catch that? I didn't even see it.

Speaker 3: 15:07

I'm like I think I've been listening to him too much although the funny part was the editor did me no favors on one of the episodes. I critiqued honor roll and there was a part and I was correct. If you go back on the tape and watch it, they did a six-man flip. Now don't get me wrong, doing a six-man flip is not easy. But one, two of them landed on the eight, three landed on the one and one landed on like the two. They were all on beat but they're on different beats and I caught it. But the editor, when I said, oh, your flip was a little off, showed tony zane and dylan doing the most beautiful two-man back handspring ever. And I'm like, bro, that's not the one I was talking about, it was the six-man flip. But a couple of times they did me dirty like that. I'm like, come on, editor, you knew which one I was talking about.

Speaker 2: 15:57

Now we got to go back and watch it, just so we can be like, oh, that's what he was talking about, yeah.

Speaker 3: 16:03

Don't get me wrong. I can't do the move, yeah, but I know when the move is off.

Speaker 2: 16:08

Yeah, so now, what led to Roller Jam Like, how did that all come about?

Speaker 3: 16:13

Roller Jam was cool. My girl Appaloosa, who is also a great figure skater, and she and I she's my skate work wife. She and I have done Jimmy Kimmel and Kim Manning is also. Kim Manning was one of the I think she was Skate Gravity. I think she's your favorite group. She's done Jimmy Kimmel with me and Apple and I have been Zeus commercials and different films and all that. She's always for some reason paired with me. We look like a couple, I guess.

Speaker 3: 16:39

But Apple called me and said hey, t, I've got the artistics down, but I need more jam, rhythm and street skaters for the show. And I'm like oh, you know, I heard about this show. Cool, let me make some calls. I made some calls so they brought me in as casting. They're like yeah, we'll hire you for a month, you'll get paid to do casting. Cool, they're like do you want to do it? And I told you already. The answer to that was my back and knees said absolutely not. And so casting was all I was doing. And then they would ask me and Apple hey, well, what about this? Hey, well, what about that? Hey, well, what about this? Well, what about that? And Apple and I would give our opinions and our answers and eventually they kept saying, well, you guys are like experts. And I'm like, yeah, you know, apple's been doing the figure skating, I've been doing the street skating, jam skating, whatever you want to call it, for you know forever. And so then they go. Well, what about judging?

Speaker 3: 17:27

And I was like, well, I had just come up hosting a show called Roll Call. Shout out to the Brick TV. It's still on there. Six episodes. We travel state to state and interview all the best skaters in, you know, in the area, the best locations and all that. So I had literally just interviewed Atlanta, new York, the Bay, all those places. And then we did Barcelona as our season finale, a two episode set. All the best skaters in the world I had just been interviewing except for Chicago. That's a whole different story, different time. And so I'm like, well, you know, I know all the skaters. I was like, but I really want to host. I just hosted this show.

Speaker 3: 18:00

So I send them my host reel and they were like well, we're looking for kind of a name as a host. And in my head I'm thinking, well, they better get somebody like Usher if they don't want me to host. And sure enough, they go yeah, we got Jordan Sparks. I'm like, oh, fair enough, fair enough, you got me. And so I'm like, ok, yeah, judge will be good, judge will be good. And so then they go OK, like you and I. So I had done a million zoom meetings with them on the casting side.

Speaker 3: 18:26

So I'm in a t-shirt and shorts talking about what I would say, how it perform, and all of that, and she's like, yeah, great, great answers. So I get a call from my executive producer and she goes that was great, can you do that again? But this time wear clothes. I'm like, oh, you wanted me to. Actually, I'm thinking that we're just gonna like you know, this is what. Like, you know, this is what we're going to talk about, this is how we're going to do it. She was like no, this is the thing. I'm like oh, this is the thing, my bad. So, you know, I put on a tie and a shirt and a blazer and did it again, and that's how we got it. But I'm a T-shirts and shorts kind of guys. Winter for me just means a long sleeve. I'm from.

Speaker 1: 19:03

LA. I'm born and bred in LA.

Speaker 3: 19:05

You know, I don't know of winter that people speak of. I mean, I think I saw it on Game of Thrones when the White Walkers came. But I don't do snow unless I drive to it.

Speaker 2: 19:14

Come visit us in Colorado, We'll show you snow. Oh I'll snowboard.

Speaker 3: 19:18

Don't get me wrong. My boys are trying to bring me out of retirement to snowboard. I'm like what part of I can't skate anymore makes you think I can snowboard?

Speaker 2: 19:27

They have some new. I keep getting them advertised. I did message them about them coming on the show, but they're like. They look like skate boots, but it's just a small ski underneath so it's like you can do everything. You do skating, but on the on the hill I so want to pair. So bad, I don't think that is for me.

Speaker 3: 19:45

So it's funny. As a skater I should ski, but I snowboard, which I don't surf. I did skateboard as a kid but I didn't keep it up. I just always roller skated. But I snowboard. Only I do not ski. I do not do those ice dogs, whatever they're called. I don't do sledding, I don't toboggan I I do not do those ice dogs, whatever they're called. I don't do sledding, I don't toboggan. I don't snowmobile, I only snowboard. That is it. If I'm on snow, it's on a snowboard. I am not busting my ass for anything else.

Speaker 2: 20:13

That's what my girlfriend says about skating. She does not want to skate because I'm like I've got some of the best people coming on. I'm sure they can give you pointers, but now, over your long career, has there ever been a time where, like, just like mentally, you just needed a break? Or just went through like a rough time where you're just like I can't do this anymore?

Speaker 3: 20:35

Yes and no, and it's it's. This is what I mean. Yes, we all go through those mental drains where we need to get away. However, the no is because skating is my getaway, Skating is my therapy when I'm really pissed, really depressed, in a weird mood, I can put on a hoodie and go out to a club, go in the corner and just dance by myself and sweat it out. Same thing I can go to the beach kind of like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hi, hi, hi, hi, and then go by myself and just skate it out. I can go to a gym, grab my basketball, shoot a thousand shots. Those three things have been since I was like 14. That's my Prozac, that's, you know, that's my antidepressants. Literally, those three things skate, dance, basketball.

Speaker 3: 21:17

There was a time where I stopped skating for a little bit because when I first had my daughter, I was trying to figure out how life is going to be like oh, I got a kid now, oh, I got to be you know, quote, unquote responsible. And then responsible doesn't mean dying and shriveling up and not doing anything. It just means, yeah, I got to make sure she eats and, you know, is fed and watered and all that stuff, but I can still have mental sanity, yeah. And like guys play golf in the mornings, so same thing. I go to the beach and skate and it just became like my. You know skating is like golf for executives, you know it's what I do and any girlfriend, any job, any person that has tried to get in between me and skating has been broken up with quickly.

Speaker 2: 22:51

Yeah, my first wife actually told me to give up skating because it was childish and yeah, I do regret that. I mean, I did have a hiatus. I did have a hiatus, but the cool thing was is with the pandemic and not being able to go to gyms, there was a huge resurgence, like all of a sudden now skates were sold out and you couldn't get skates. And since I moved to Colorado I've only been out here for a couple of years refound my passion and just skating is huge out here in Colorado, so it's just great to see it. And, um, I know you were talking about earlier with the nineties how it just seemed like it got popular. But my first guest was Chris Edwards and he was in Mighty Ducks three and he was an airborne so and on team roller blaze. So just I think that's when we really saw a surgence of like skate movies At the first part.

Speaker 3: 23:45

They were there in the late 70s, disappeared, came back in the mid 80s, disappeared, came back in. So I've seen it do this like five times in my life. It's kind of funny, my my team rollerblade story it's. I don't know if it's a regret or what, but in like 89 or 90 they came to to me. They give me this box. They're like hey, you're a really good skater. I'm like 19 or 20. Like here, you know, try these on, I do this.

Speaker 3: 24:13

Now, it reminds you, I play basketball. In my head I'm still a basketball player. My ankles are doing this in these inline skates. And I'm like, oh, this is terrible, uh-uh. They're like, no, no, just keep them, just try and just practice with them every once in a while. You're really, if you can do half of what you do on your skates, we'll love to have you on team roller blade. And like, oh, no, I'm good, thank you, I didn't even keep the inline skate. I gave them the box back. Come to find out I had friends, eric and Deanna, and they were making like 75 grand a year in the early nineties for team rollerblade. I'm like, bro, you blew that one. I'm like I could have at least bought a house with team rollerblade and you know before I quit. But you live and you learn. But I had to do it all over again. I might be one of the best inline skaters around because skating wasn't paying me the way inlines would have at the time.

Speaker 2: 25:06

Yeah, but I mean, like look at your career though. You've done amazing stuff in skating and you're basically a legend in the skating world.

Speaker 3: 25:13

But that came after the offer for Team Rollerblade.

Speaker 2: 25:16

Yeah, but if you would have gone Team Rollerblade, do you think you would have been where you're at now?

Speaker 3: 25:21

I think so Because well, maybe, probably I'll say probably, because eventually I would have gotten tired of doing shows, because you just can't do on inlines what you can do on roller skates.

Speaker 2: 25:31

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 25:32

And I would have got. I mean, yes, I would have taken all the money and I would have. The question would have been would I have toured with Steve Love? Because that's when I saw it was like I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm really good, and then I was stagnant and then boom, doing the shows with Steve Love. So if I would have done the shows with Steve Love, then yes, because that's what made me a professional. And then being professional helped me get the movies and the commercials. But who knows, doing shows with Team Rollerblade, I might have been professional there and I might have just had a different career, and then I come back to the skates.

Speaker 2: 26:04

There you go. So now you've got your youngin' next to you. Are any of your other kids skaters too?

Speaker 3: 26:11

No, the other two. So Morgan took her to Venice Beach about Caden's age. Caden's going to be six next summer. He'll be six in May. He's only five, so he's a living room skater right now. Right, man, you like skating in the living room. But I told him next summer, when he gets out of school, six years old, we're going to start his Venice journey and he'll start skating at Venice Beach with his old man. I'm old, I'm not doing all the flips, I'm not running around like I used to. So he'll get to skate with me at Venice and that'll be cool. So I'm getting him ready for for that. We're going to keep it in the living room. I took Morgan to Venice.

Speaker 3: 26:45

Morgan at the time they had sand in the area where we skate. She walked in the sand and went no, I don't like this. Ironically, I took her to snowboard the first time. She walked in the snow. Same thing. As soon as it scrunches under her feet she's like nope, I'm not here for it. Brendan, my older son, he was never into it. He was straight basketball because Morgan was on an AAU team. So the moment Brendan hit five actually not even five, four, because Caden started playing at four Brendan was already like ready to play. Basketball was the family business, so he watched it. He's like Daddy, when can I play, shoot it? He didn't know it was called basketball. He just always heard me yell shoot it. So he's like daddy, when can I play, shoot it? And so we signed him up at four and he was AU by six. Oh you getting hot? All right, he's getting hot in here. He's heating up.

Speaker 2: 27:34

You're heating up, man.

Speaker 3: 27:36

You're in California, it's nice and warm out there, and so he immediately took to basketball and he can actually dance. The older two both did TV. Morgan did like 30 commercials and then she was a Disney movie surfer. Brendan was in, not Easily Broken. He did a music video with Jermaine Dupri and Janet Jackson. He did a commercial with Wayne Gretzky and now this one is his turn. He just got his agent. He's, you know, it's the hair. We're a hair family, except for me. I got the wackest hair. The other kids all have the great hair, but Caden is up next. He's got his agent. He just did some head shots. He's ready, you ready to do commercials. So he knows he has to follow directions if he wants to do commercials. And of course he's starting. We had basketball practice for tonight for his already fifth basketball season, even though he's only five, yeah, two seasons a year.

Speaker 2: 28:28

I was going to say it's almost like Survivor, how they're like on 40 seasons. They have more seasons than I've been alive.

Speaker 1: 28:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:36

And I'm like didn't it just start in like 2000?

Speaker 3: 28:38

That's what I'm saying. Oh yeah. So now it's his turn. But he because, I think because the other two saw me Morgan was in. Remember the time. I did remember the time with michael jackson. Okay, morgan saw me in the egyptian makeup and the the headband and didn't. She was like two and a half and just started crying and the ad felt bad. So the ad said you know what, um, do you want to be on the set? And so my ex and my daughter were in the remember the time video as background.

Speaker 3: 29:05

Oh, and so they you so they put her in a little outfit and so that way she could recognize it was me and so that was cool. So Morgan actually did her first music video at like two. Okay, he has watched Roller Gems. They only watched me tour. They watched me in videos. They watched me on Soul Train. He's watched Roller. He's watched it more than I have and so he loves it. And like there's the thing of him, my ex took a video of him going that's my dad, so he watches it. And now he loves to dance and skate, so he might be the. He's the last hope because I'm not having any more. He's the last child I'm having, so he's the last hope for a pure skater and he loves skating and he loves dancing, so he might be the one you want to skate and dance is there going to be a?

Speaker 3: 29:49

second season of roller jam our ratings were good, our numbers were good, the quality of the show was very good. Everyone's happy with the show. I got an e, a text from executive brewster like, hey, I'm gonna hit you up this week, xoxo. I'm like, oh, she hit me with an xoxo, but then she didn't hit me up.

Speaker 2: 30:10

So maybe, maybe not. We're not sure, so I don't. I don't get to break the news on my show you don't get to break the news on your show.

Speaker 3: 30:20

I would love to have news to break. I would love to be playing coy with you right now, yeah, but I don't even know. So I feel like there should be, and there's a few reasons why there should be. There should be because I felt like the first season was great. That goes without saying, but well, and also I want to be judge of another season, but no, beyond that, though, there were crews in Chicago, crews in New York that are hitting me up like yo, we are ready.

Speaker 3: 30:47

There was a big thing before I got involved. There was a big like IG Live, where we're like well, I'm getting hit up by these casting people, but we don't know who they are, and I think that's part of the reason why I got hired. Actually, we don't know who they are, we don't know if this is legit, and, truth be told, I've been hit up at least 10 times, 12 times, in my career. Hey there's this movie, hey, there's this TV show, hey, it's skating, we want you, and they take my number and all that, and then you don't hear from them again. So everybody was a little hesitant, and then, when I got involved, they're like, oh, you're involved, okay, well, hold on then. But by the time that happened it was kind of too late. Casting was already in, and so there's some New York, there's some Chicago, there's some Detroit skaters that I know are fire. I mean, I know, like I've seen them and I know they're fire that are going to be getting tapes into the show which they can't get them into me anymore, because I can't.

Speaker 3: 31:42

Now that I'm a judge, I can't be in casting anymore. Yeah, they're going to get those tapes in and I know they're fire, like, like on the level of an honor roll, on the level of a house of skate, on the level of a skate gravity Like. And the one thing about our show we'll say, from one through 10, our teams were in hot, yeah, like, our artistic skaters were fire, our rhythm skaters were fire, our jam skaters were fire, like it didn't matter what type of skate. Even our group we had a group shout out to Estrogen. We had a group of girls that were ramp skaters. But even in the show, when they did the numbers, you're seeing splits and back handsprings and flips and straddles, handstand straddles and jumping over each other. Even if you say, well, that might've been one of the weakest groups, they were still doing things on skates that nobody else can do on skates. So our groups, one through 10, were fire.

Speaker 3: 32:34

And I think, even with that said, season two would be better, because now, chicago, detroit, vegas, the Bay, san Diego, new York, new Jersey, philly, they know that it's, that it's popping, and they know what it is. So now they know what the competition level is and I liken our show to America's Best Dance Crew and the first season of America's Best Dance Crew. Jabberwocky's owned it Like there was no question, similar to Honor Roll, even though Honor Roll slipped up once. Jabberwocky's owned it, honor Roll owned it.

Speaker 3: 33:05

But now that second season of America's Best Dance Crew was fire because like, oh, we know what the bar is, everybody knows what the bar is, so they're coming with that type of intensity and that type of level. So that's the real reason why I'm like there's got to be a season two and beyond, because everybody knows what it is. I have a kid that's my protege who couldn't get on, not because he wasn't great, he was too young. Imagine that he's on the level of a LeBron from House of Skate, he's that athletic and yet couldn't get on because he was 15 at the time and now he's 16.

Speaker 3: 33:40

So he still wouldn't be able to get on next season.

Speaker 2: 33:44

What's the age cutoff? 18?

Speaker 3: 33:46

18, yeah, okay, yeah, you got to take. It was out of town, you got to be able to. But I mean, imagine that I got a 16-year-old doing some of the things that LaRon from House of Skate, who is ridiculously athletic. That is a joke, how athletic he is.

Speaker 2: 34:02

Yeah, and now. It's now that more people know about the show, because after the first season's out you're going to have so many more auditions. It's going to become like american idol and stuff, where people are like standing in line to try out and that's what we want.

Speaker 3: 34:16

But now there's somebody in poughkeepsie or utah or you know idaho, somewhere that I haven't seen, and they're fire.

Speaker 2: 34:26

But are we going to get the tryout videos, like we did with American Idol?

Speaker 3: 34:32

So I wanted well, even if it wasn't tryout, I wanted to do tryout videos. I thought tryout videos would be fire Like yeah, let's show them, let's show the you know, let's show what I see. If you don't think these are the best 10, send me a tape. Yeah, let's argue with America.

Speaker 2: 34:50

And with American Idol and stuff you had, the judges were also the people they were auditioning for. So I think, whoever the judges are, that you guys should all pick the ones that make the show just like every other. I mean, because it's the same thing with pretty much any talent show you have on is they pick who the people that audition are?

Speaker 3: 35:10

now, I agree you appreciate the choir on that one, but I am not the producer. You are not getting me fired from my job on my day off, so they can come talk to me. I will tell them they can't fire me there are people. There are people that make far more money than me that run the show, so I'm gonna let them run the show but I'm a spectator so my opinion might matter.

Speaker 3: 35:32

I just I know, I think I I love that idea and I think to a degree they love it too. I think they just weren't certain how many tapes we'd get, the quality of the tapes, because, believe it or not, it was a struggle to get people to send their tapes in at first okay, but now you probably, they're probably overloaded, so I got people dming me now.

Speaker 3: 35:52

I'm like, bro, I'm not even the, I mean, I'm not even the uh casting anymore. Like they're like bro, I'm ready, I'm ready. And they, I mean, I've gotten some fire dms too. Like, yeah, I'm ready. I'm like, oh, I believe it.

Speaker 2: 36:02

Like is that how people were picked from from sending in their videos and stuff of?

Speaker 1: 36:08

their group. Okay yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:10

Because we have a giant event out here that you might want to check out. It's in April. It's called Mile High Rollers.

Speaker 3: 36:15

Last year they did the first one, so I'm going to tell you something that I wanted to do and Roller Jam, hear me out Also Roll Call, both of my shows I wanted to go around judging all of the local big competitions, like the Red Bulls Red Bull had a competition at Venice back in the day Like the Red Bulls, that type of thing, like they do it for breaking and I'm like let's do it for roller skates, yeah, and I would love to go around and and judge and get my opinion on how they get better, better, leading up to maybe maybe the winner gets a, an audition on an automatic audition for roller jammer, you know something to that effect.

Speaker 3: 36:50

Those are the ideas that I love. I love those ideas because kc, my man, uh, my man smitty, my man smitty, in in ohio, he is fire, he's got some fire young kids under him. I know he's got some competitions and I, in fact we met at uh, scale of barcelona, shout out to Skate, love Barcelona. I was supposed to Smitty, I was supposed to judge that one in Cincinnati, bro, but I wanted to judge before, even before Roller Jam, I was supposed to come out and judge some of the shows and Roll Call was going to film some of it. So, yeah, all of these things, one of my two shows it should work.

Speaker 2: 37:27

One of my two shows that should work. Well, I'm doing I'm gonna be doing some live stuff from it and doing some podcast episodes at mile high. If you want to come out and co-host with me, I'd love to have you out, bro. Say less, so that'd be awesome now I mean of course for my producers.

Speaker 3: 37:39

I would of course get permission from my producers exactly so.

Speaker 2: 37:43

And now the important question for someone my age is what was it like working with Maureen McCormick?

Speaker 3: 37:52

First off, that was everybody's crush. I had three different people go. I'm so jealous of you. You got to work with Marsha Brady. I'm like you. You know Marsha Brady. I'm like bro. You're 30. What are you talking, bro? Everybody knows Marsha Brady.

Speaker 1: 38:06

It's always Marsha, marsha.

Speaker 2: 38:07

Marsha Marsha.

Speaker 3: 38:09

It was dope, shout out to Maureen McCormick, who also the funny part and this all of our celebrity judges were like this I don't want to screw this up, I don't, I don't. I'm not a skater, I don't want to screw this up, I don't. From Peppa to Michelle Williams to Marima, they were all worried about making sure that they got it right and I said well, look, you've been on TV before most of them were born and, peppa, you've done a thousand stage shows. Michelle, you and Destiny's Child have done a thousand stage shows. Would you want them?

Speaker 3: 38:38

Look at them as background dancers? Would you want them to dance background for you? Would you want to see a show with them doing it? Dance background for you. Would you want to see a show with them doing it? Would you want to go to Vegas and watch a live performance with them, or would you want to watch them behind Usher? Would you want to watch them behind Alicia Keys? Look at it from that standpoint. Yeah, you might not know what a Lutz is or an Axl or a Sal Cal or a Crazy Legs or Alpha is. Leave the technical stuff up to me. Look at the show and decide. Would you want them to perform behind you, or would you want to go to Vegas and watch them perform or, you know, see them in a movie. And that's how I framed it for them and for any other celebrity coming on, because the celebs coming on have seen or been in a million shows.

Speaker 2: 39:19

Yeah, and Marsha. The Brady's had their albums out and their music. So, yeah, the Brady's had their albums out and their music. Yeah, and their dance. The Brady Bunch dance is legendary. It's probably the only dance I know how to do so. Now you also got to work with Johnny, who was an Olympian. How was that? Because you two are two totally different styles and he comes from the ice skating background and you're the jam skater. So how was that?

Speaker 3: 39:44

working with that. Well, the the thing is, I love it because when I grew up my style of skating was predicated on ice skating and break dancing. So I'm this weird mix of debbie thomas. I don't know if you remember debbie thomas. She was in the olympics back in the 80s. I remember the perfect woman to me. I'm like she goes to stanford, she's pre-med, she can skate and she's hot as fish grease. That that was like a perfect. So I love ice skating.

Speaker 3: 40:07

So a lot of my spins were I like the speed of the spin, because that's what the ice skaters did. And then I love B-Boys because I'm from the break-in B-Street, electric Boogaloo, all that era. So I'm literally a mix of ice skating and break dancing. So with Johnny A, you got to respect it. Anybody that goes to the Olympics, you got to respect that. And then me and Johnny just hit it off from day one. In fact, me, jordan and Johnny all hit it off from day one. Although I'm still mad at Jordan, she's done shows and didn't have any background skating for her. Come on, jordan, I'm supposed to be your man, I'm supposed to be background skating for you, but no, we really hit it off. Jordan has a six-year-old and I have a five-year-old, so we bonded over that. Johnny's in the Olympics, he's a figure skater, and a lot of my shows with Steve Love back in the day and a lot of the movies were with figure skaters.

Speaker 3: 41:00

So I have a lot of artistic pairs and figures and gold skate teams, which is all artistic skating, and even Appaloosa, my work-wife partner, she's a figure skater. Candice figure skater, nicole figure skater. So they're all like I have Crystal. All of them are figure skaters and they come from that world of waking up at 5 in the morning. First off, I am too lazy to wake up at 5 in the morning and practice anything. So shout out to all the figure skaters for waking up at four and five in the morning and going to practice for an hour or two hours, because I would not have done that. I'll wait for the weekend at the beach where girls have the jeans on, and then I'll practice, thank you. But no, I have a lot of experience with figures and that's how I know the terms.

Speaker 3: 41:43

Steve Love's show. We had April Allen, who was a champion figure skater, and you know Ryan Carrillo, you know, competed in worlds for pairs. So yeah, all of those guys and gals were worlds and nationals. In figures they were champions. They were, at least you know, first, second or third. So me and Johnny fit right in. He was actually surprised I knew some of the lingo.

Speaker 2: 42:05

Nice, he's one guy I would like to get on the show.

Speaker 3: 42:10

I actually reached out to him, but I haven't heard anything from his camp. You've got to keep up with Johnny. Johnny is a dude that be on the run.

Speaker 2: 42:17

Johnny is a man on the run. Yeah, I messaged him the same way. I messaged you through Instagram and I'm glad you got back to me, because most of the people I don't know if you've like saw the whole list, but I've had Dan Jansen I don't know if you remember him from the Olympics Bonnie Blair, like I'm getting. I like covering everything, like all different forms of skating, cause I think as skaters, we're just one giant family. It doesn't matter what your style is or what kind of blades or wheels you have under your feet. I like to think of us as just one giant family and I have noticed, when it comes to so far with jam skating, because of there's a lot of it out here. You have one or two people that have that ego, but everybody else seems to be like really cool and there's just like some people that think that their stuff doesn't stink and they get out there and it's like they have the attitude and like when you bump into them, they it's almost like. It's almost like being in a bar.

Speaker 3: 43:15

I, I'm a I like to call myself a culture pusher Like I really want to push the culture forward. So I mean that's why I love doing roll call, I hostage, I get to meet all the skaters that I wanted to meet Pretty much. There's about four or five that I didn't get to because of we didn't get to their city or whatever, but basically I get almost everybody that I wanted. Um, and then roller jam more of the the people that I love watching, and it was just like I want to push the culture forward. And don't get me wrong, at Venice I am one of those guys.

Speaker 3: 43:42

If you bump me, we might have a little problem, because nine times out of 10, I've said hey, guy, we do it this way just for safety, you know, please don't. And then in my swoop hey, no, we don't swoop through. And then the third one I might not be as nice. I have what I call my three nice rule. So I'm nice three times and after that you might see the other side of me, which I've. Yeah, people their there's legend tell of me punching people in the face, but that was a long time ago. I was young and impetuous then.

Speaker 2: 44:23

Weren't we all at one time? But yeah, I mean I like the idea of pushing the skate culture, because that's how this podcast came about was I was up on the roof working and trying to find a good skate podcast and I could not find one, and especially to find one that brings on interview style and that interviews different forms and different people from different skate backgrounds. There was nothing like that and I still don't have a good skating podcast to listen to, but at least the other people do.

Speaker 3: 44:40

Well, I'm a writer and they always tell writers write the show that you want to watch.

Speaker 2: 44:44

And they always tell writers write the show that you want to watch. Yeah, so now I've got this and, like you, I want to push the skating culture and kind of bring us more together and I'll talk to you after we finish about something, that a couple of things that I've got going on. So but yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like I just want to bring everybody together, so like when we're together it doesn't matter if we're speed skaters or hockey players or figure skaters or jam skaters or artistic and wizard skating. That seems to be the new one which a lot of seems like. It's a lot of kind of like a mix between jam skating and tricks and figure skating. It's some amazing stuff. But just to see it all come together and just kind of like as one skate culture and one skate family, I think if everybody skated we wouldn't have fights and we'd have world peace.

Speaker 3: 45:38

It would be way better or we'd have less fights. Yeah, I mean I know that much because you're too busy having fun. I mean, and that's like the bottom line is just, we all started skating because we just wanted to have fun. I mean bikes, skates, skateboards, unicycles, whatever the hell you did, it was just to have fun and so that's what we all want to do.

Speaker 3: 45:55

I think it surprises people on the show I know it surprised Johnny at first that I love all the forms of skating, and so I think, johnny, I think everybody thought I was going to kind of lean more towards. You know what I do, which is, you know the hip hop, you know the, the jam skating, the rhythm skating. But no, I actually respect things that I can't do more than things that I can do. If I see you do a back handspring I did a back 92. If I see you do more I did that in 88. But if I see you do a jump, like Ooh, I never could do that. And there's guys out now like T stacks and miraculous spins that are doing things that I'm going Ooh, even in my prime I couldn't do that Like I never thought about, I didn't even think about spinning on one wheel, sitting down with my ear next to the ground, like like they're doing ridiculous things.

Speaker 2: 46:42

Yeah, it happens when we get older now, yeah, and so that was like.

Speaker 3: 46:53

One of my main things was to show people that, even though I am this style of skating, I respect and love all the styles because, like bro, it's all skating, we're all. Like johnny used to say, we're all creatures of the glide. Like we all glide in different ways, exactly all gl.

Speaker 2: 47:11

Yeah, one of my favorite people to watch on Instagram is Joey Swole and he always catches like the people messing up in the gym where they like post their videos and people walk by and they get all mad and he tells them to do better. And it's funny because I bring that with skating where you're at the roller rink or you see someone that's new, that wants to learn, and it's like I'll be at the roller rink and one night we had seven people we were teaching just to get just the basic rhythm down. Because that's what kind of community we are and I like to see that, where it's kind of like, you know, we're passing what we know on to I can't even say the younger generation, because some of the people are older than me, but we're just passing it on our knowledge and that way that they can become better skaters or find the passion because they came and had a good experience at the roller rink and not, you know, someone was a jerk to them.

Speaker 3: 48:00

So I have one rule of Venice beach to my baby gangsters and I'm like, look, I'm the OG, I'm passing you, I'm showing you. I'm like I don't teach. People are always like, oh, do you teach? You teach a class? I don't teach. People are always like, oh, do you teach? Do you teach a class? I don't teach, I tutor, meaning that I'm not going to charge you and put you in a class. But if I see you out there a few times and you're really trying to learn, I'm going to oh, put your shoulder up. When you try to spin like that, keep your head up, bend your knees. You know I did to you. So you're going to hey, bend your knees, straighten your shoulder, look up. You know, when you spin, reverse the other way, like, give them the knowledge that I gave you and then add to it and keep passing it on. That way the sport, like you know, like a baton race, the sport keeps growing because we really, we all want the sport to grow.

Speaker 2: 48:49

Oh, absolutely, absolutely now, when you were on the show, and did you talk to the crews in between, or was it just when they did their sets that you okay, so they wanted me to have no interaction.

Speaker 3: 49:00

They don't want any. There's two ways to be objective it's to know nobody or to know everybody. So originally they tried to keep me. They didn't know the depth of how many people I knew in the skate world, and so I'm like I. I told you I just finished having a show, you know, where I interviewed all the skaters, coast to coast. But they kept me away from everyone, except for when it was time, even makeup and wardrobe. They kept me away from everyone, you know, except for when it was time to do the show.

Speaker 2: 49:39

Now, because the next question I was actually going to ask if you did interview it's what kind of pressure did they feel? I mean because a you're on, actually, with max, you're pretty much on international tv and you're going in front of millions and millions of people what kind of pressure? And I mean, does that change? Like I can go to the roller rink and skate, I can do ice and I'm okay. But if I had millions of people watching me or knew that millions of people were going to watch me, there'd be a lot of nerves there.

Speaker 3: 50:00

Well, it's it's kind of funny. Hey, I felt nerves because this is chip and Joanna gains and this is one of the highest budgeted shows that they'd ever done. And I'm like, oh, cause, you guys have a million shows on, don't let me be the one to screw it up. Yeah, so, but a lot of the skaters felt pressure because either the celebrity or me, if you're jam skating, or Johnny, if you're an artistic skater, were the judges, and it's like, oh my goodness, they didn't even. A lot of them didn't even think about the fact that. Oh well, yeah, there's going to be millions of people watching this too. The pressure was like A, there's 150 grand on the line, that's no small amount of money. B you are on, you know national TV, and that's pressure anyway. And then C, the judges are on and can't really escape me because I'm going to see and Johnny is, you know, an Olympian, so he's going to see, and so that was the pressure.

Speaker 3: 50:55

But I think that in a weird way, from what I saw and what I heard after, they were a tight-knit group of competitors. Okay, it was. They were oddly cool with each other, like when one got hurt, they would all surround him and hug him. They would like it was. They were oddly, I mean, cause I'm still a basketball player at heart. So, yeah, I shake hands with my opponents, but I've never been just like hey, opponent like no, I want to battle first and then I'll shake hands afterwards. All through each episode they were hey, good job, you know. They were rooting for each other, each other, which I found special and strange at the same time.

Speaker 2: 51:35

Yeah, it's cool when that happens. I would have screwed up in front of Marshall Brady. That's where I would have lost it. Now, who is? This is one of my favorite questions. Who was your biggest influence for skating?

Speaker 3: 51:50

Debbie Thomas, the Olympian, okay, debbie Thomas. And then later on serena bonaly okay, I'm saying which is ironic because they're both ice skaters but my big og at venice beach, his name is mad james lightning, but we called him mad, married and divorced, or mental and disturbed, I don't know, but but he was mad, uh, that was his name. He was kind of my protector. He was mad, that was his name. He was kind of my protector, he was my big brother, he was my mentor.

Speaker 3: 52:17

I won't say he was my teacher, because he didn't like say okay, well, do your shoulders like this or put your skates in this position. He was just going do it again, that ain't right, do it again, that ain't right. And then at Venice there'd be like hundreds of people watching and remember they had the sony walkman. So you hear this. He rewinded back to the same part where I messed up and make me do the same move again. And if I mess it up, do it again. And I'm like, bro, you gonna make me like. You just put me on blast in front of all these people, which also helped, because that's why I was never afraid to perform, because he would embarrass me in front of hundreds of people weekly at Venice Beach.

Speaker 2: 52:53

If I got it wrong. Nice, and now I'm sure, because of who you are, that people are going to want to know. This is another question that I like to ask is what is your boot of choice, your wheels and your bearings Like? What's your hardware?

Speaker 3: 53:09

Oh, people are going to get so mad at me wear. Oh, people are gonna get so mad at me, they're gonna get so mad at me. I don't have a boot of choice. Um, I do wear bones, okay, but, um, dylan, we shot a commercial and dylan, get the.

Speaker 3: 53:25

I think they're called roll lines, these wheels called roll lines, and they're hard. I like a hard wheel, yeah, and it's weird being outdoors because you think that's, but I can grip the concrete better. And my spins I know he's, I'm so exciting to him but my spins, my spins are based on me gripping and then ripping, like ripping the spin, whereas in a ring they're used to like kind of pumping into it and sliding. I don't know how they get friction in the ring. They're amazing to me. But I, right now I wear a short grip boardwalk. I've been given some Impalas, I've been given some Adidas, I've been given some GH. Gh is coming up with a new line that they're going to send me and I'll see if I like that. But I, I like I don't wear toe stops, so I like my plate to be a little bit back so that I can drop down to my toes and I also my main spins are on my toes, so I don't like a stopper or a toe stop or a plug. So I like space in the front so that I can go on my toes, and then I like a hard wheel and I'll, I'll wear the China reds. I mean, that's my, you know my bearings, but like I don't like I'm not a guy that's like oh, I wear the ideas I wear.

Speaker 3: 54:33

Like I'm not a guy that's like, oh, I wear the ideas. I wear the. The rydell's first off. If rydell and adia wanted me, they could have sponsored me right now. Knew who I was. They sponsored, I'm not gonna say lesser skaters, I'm gonna say other skaters. I 20 years ago I'd have been like they sponsored lesser skaters yeah, now old, but they sponsored other skaters that come to venice and I'm like, oh, but I'm here every week. But I'm not begging, I'm not asking Like I do what I do Now for the shows. A lot of times, like Adia came at me for the shows and they sent me some skates and I wore Adia for the show, but not the classics which you would think. I wore the Flamingos for the show.

Speaker 2: 55:08

OK.

Speaker 3: 55:14

I show. Okay, I think I'd probably knowing what I know now prefer the classic um to the flamenco. But you know, they sent I think they thought they were sending me the more expensive skate, ironically um. But but I like. I like the rydell 3300s, I like the idea. Classics um gh has a skate. I like the moxies. There's a jack boot that I like because I went to suede, not out of great reasons, I went to suede because they were easier to break in and my toes didn't hurt as much. And I went to put my foot in the skate and start skating. I didn't want to take three weeks. Oh, break them in, put a wet towel in there, put your foot in there, put Vaseline on your. I didn't want to do all of that, I just wanted to put them on, lace them up and skate.

Speaker 2: 55:59

I'm impatient and as I get older I've become more impatient. So if it hurts my toe, kind of hard for me to to vouch for you, yeah. And now, what advice would you have to upcoming skaters or skate crews or people that want to be on one of your shows?

Speaker 3: 56:09

practice. So the thing that I give the baby skaters from the pandemic, a lot of people crapped on the pandemic skater. Oh, you're just a pandemic skater. They were skating every day. Yeah, I skate on the weekends. I'm a weekend slash, holiday skater. Saturday, sunday, holiday, mondays, holiday Fridays that's it for me. Not on a Tuesday, not on a Wednesday, not on a Thursday. Saturday, sunday, holiday Mondays that's what I do Occasionally. There's a thing, there's an event Saturday, sundays, holiday. These guys were like oh, monday session, oh Wednesday night session, thursday night session, saturday at the beach, sunday at the beach. I'm like yo, you guys, my knees, they're not doing all that and so I give them credit. But people still come to Venice. Like, how do you spin like that? I want to spin like that. I'm like, oh, it's easy, just come to Venice Beach every weekend for about five years and you'll get it Five and a half maybe six for me.

Speaker 3: 57:00

Yeah, and so yeah, but what happened was the pandemic skaters, the ones that have gotten really good. They were like, okay, we're gonna skate five times a week and yeah, they sped up the process. What took me five years to learn granted though I was like you know, nine, ten, eleven when I started, but still, what took me five years you know 14, 15, 16 is when I started, oh, I can spin, now I can alpha, I can do these things. They got it in like a year, two years, and then they kept going and now they have the, the edge of youtube, ig tiktok, they can watch T-Stacks, do a spin. They can watch Miraculous do a spin. They can watch a kid this kid named Carlos in Argentina, great skater. They can watch him do a spin.

Speaker 3: 57:42

You know, they can watch London, they can watch France, france can watch us. And now they can practice that on their own until they get it right, without 200 people at Venice laughing at them if they fall. Yeah, and so that's what they do. They'll. They'll come early morning, 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock in the morning, they'll get all their practice in and then by the afternoon, I'm like, oh, you're in your bag today. Yeah, I had a practice session earlier today, and so they really have sped up the process by watching video. Like in sports, we call it breaking down tape. They're breaking down tape and then they're practicing way more than I practiced.

Speaker 2: 58:14

Yeah, but you're still the legend.

Speaker 3: 58:18

I mean I put the O in OG because I'm old, Exactly.

Speaker 2: 58:21

I'm right there with you. And now, how can my listeners follow you?

Speaker 3: 58:26

I am Terrell T-E-R-R-E-L-L like my name, and I'm Terrell Skates because that's what I do VB, venice Beach, that's where I do it, terrell Skates, vb. And if you happen to act or write, I'm Terrell Writes TV. But I separated the two because one world is completely. My acting role is completely different than my skating world, and that's where I put this guy. I put him more on my writing page.

Speaker 2: 58:51

Okay.

Speaker 3: 58:51

That's where you can see all of his videos on my page too, nice.

Speaker 2: 58:54

Do you?

Speaker 3: 58:54

want to see a five-year-old dancing and doing the splits and doing cartwheels and stuff.

Speaker 2: 59:00

Sweet.

Speaker 3: 59:01

Caden underscore Terrell on.

Speaker 2: 59:03

IG. Do you have any advice? Caden.

Speaker 3: 59:08

What's your advice? How do people get better at skating?

Speaker 1: 59:11

If they practice more.

Speaker 3: 59:13

Oh, how do they get better at dancing If they practice more? Oh how do they get better at basketball? If they follow directions.

Speaker 2: 59:22

There, it is Nice. And now what is Roll Call on? I know we got Roller Jam on Max, but what can we find Roll Call on?

Speaker 3: 59:31

Roll Call is on the Brick TV. It's a small startup platform. We were trying to be like a smaller Netflix, but it's the Brick TV. They cater to urban, like older urban films you can find, like Blackula and all those cool things, and then they have some learning shows. And then we had Roll Call. Okay, and Roll Call was really fun. If you've never been to Skate Love Barcelona, you can check that out on Roll Call because we did a double episode there Atlanta skating, new York skating, the Bay Area skating and, of course, la skating and shout-out to Chi-Town. I was supposed to get to you guys If we have a second season I'm coming Chi and Detroit.

Speaker 2: 1:00:08

You got to check out Aurora out here in Colorado. They got some good jam skaters there too.

Speaker 3: 1:00:12

Hey, I'm down.

Speaker 2: 1:00:13

So but I appreciate you coming on the show, I appreciate being on the show and I look forward to your future endeavors and maybe we'll work together in the future.

Speaker 3: 1:00:24

Hey from your mouth to you know. Say bye to the people, caden. Thank you, thank you.